Westwood Resident Seeks to Repeal Bergen Blue Laws
Rosemary Shashoua has started the group "Modernize Bergen County" to allow stores to open on Sundays.
One Westwood resident is fed up with Bergen County's "blue laws" and is working to have the "old fashioned" rules appealed.
"All I want is more revenue for the state and more jobs," Rosemary Shashoua said.
Shashoua has found some like-minded county residents and started a new group called "Modernize Bergen County" with the goal of repealing the blue laws, the rules which prohibit the sale of items like clothing, furniture and appliances on Sundays.
Shashoua said she was inspired to start the group after Hurricane Sandy, when Gov. Chris Christie temporarily suspended county blue laws to aid recovery from the storm.
"Nobody had any clothing and nobody had anything to fix up their houses," Shashoua said, referring to residents displaced by the storm. "They weren't there to open up the jewelry store."
Repealing the laws could also have benefits beyond times immediately after storms, Shashoua said. Having stores open an extra day could create additonal jobs and bring in more money from shoppers.
Not everyone agrees. When the governor temporarily suspended the laws after the storm, Paramus officials objected to the change, taking the decision to court.
"The Blue Laws are absolutely essential to keeping Paramus livable and I will never stop fighting to make sure they are always here to protect our quality of life," Paramus Mayor Richard LaBarbiera said after a judge upheld the suspension.
Still, Shashoua is confident others will side with her. She and Modernize Bergen County plan to obtain 10,000 signatures for a petition to get a referendum on the ballot either this year or next year, and have already been in contact with some county malls, officials and chambers of commerce about the plan.
Bergen County has a long tradition with blue laws. The current law originated in the 1950s after the Garden State Plaza was built and became a popular destination for shoppers. The blue laws have been challenged twice: once in 1980 and again in 1993. The plans to repeal the laws were defeated 192,394 to 157,648 in 1980 and 185,821 to 105,040 in 1993.
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Concerned
9:53 am on Tuesday, January 15, 2013
Although I disagree completely (it is really great to have day without crowds and traffic), it is probably time to again test the will of the people.
Barbara Cochran
12:57 pm on Tuesday, January 15, 2013
I'll sign to send everyone to Passaic County. They can shop there. Let's continue to enjoy our day of rest. Let's see if all these shoppers would be willing to work on a Sunday. I don't think so.
Doug Landau
10:38 am on Wednesday, January 16, 2013
Close Kinderkamack Rd, Broadway and Washington Avenue in Westwood and open the stores on Sunday.This lady wasn't around when Pascack Valley hospital closed affecting 1/6 of the Valley's economy but now she want to tell people 9 miles away how to live. Just an another
/Obama. Hey if Westwood opens on Sunday property values will go up and residential homes will sell for commercial property and the whole character of the town will change and you, too can choke on traffic. Or perhaps just travel 5.4 miles north- half the distance to Palisade Mall.
That Guy From Westwood
9:54 am on Tuesday, January 15, 2013
People only have so much money to spend. Traffic is crazy. We have more people in Bergen County (per US 2010 Census at 911,000 than Delaware (817,000), South Dakota (814,180), Alaska (710,231), North Dakota (672,591), Vermont (625,741), and Wyoming (563,626)....all of that congestion within 233 square miles. That's 3884 people per SQUARE MILE. The Blue Laws are the only thing keeping the shopping traffic down, and the area livable. We sell $16 BILLION in Retail sales every year. Essex County, again, according to the US Census, sells about $7.7 BILLION...and they DON'T have Blue laws. KEEP what LITTLE calm we have ONE day out of every SEVEN. This will NOT increase tax revenues in our county- consider this...we PAY out more taxes out of the county to the rest of the state than we EVER get back... Why SELL OUT for others? Modernize? More like this lady thinks that it will make her tax bills lower. Anyone who thinks that is KIDDING themselves. Keep Bergen Quaint! SUPPORT BLUE LAWS.
Bike Nut
9:54 am on Tuesday, January 15, 2013
I'm starting a group called "Move Shashoua to Passaic County".
Kelly Van Rijn
10:19 pm on Tuesday, January 15, 2013
I like that group!
CJandMMom
10:09 am on Wednesday, March 27, 2013
Count me in.
Rich
1:01 pm on Wednesday, March 27, 2013
Where do I sign?
Cj
9:54 am on Tuesday, January 15, 2013
Where can you find the petition. I will sign. This is an old outdated law that does need to be changed. It frankly is ridiculous.
Rosemary
10:48 am on Tuesday, January 15, 2013
I'm Shashoua and my e-mail address rozette@yahoo.com
Miles Wilson Carter
1:26 pm on Tuesday, January 15, 2013
I hope she can get a Sunday appointment in a beauty parlor...
Frank D'Amico
4:11 pm on Tuesday, January 15, 2013
Old outdated law, not done anywhere else, it would create more jobs, increase local and county revenue, ease Saturday traffic, boost the local economy, bad excuse for poor town and traffic planning.
Revolution
10:00 am on Tuesday, January 15, 2013
there will be too much traffic
21st century concerned citizen
10:10 am on Tuesday, January 15, 2013
I agree with her assessment. We live in the 21st Century and if businesses want to open and sell goods and services on Sunday they should be entitled to do so. Many people work during the week and on Saturdays and would wecome the convenience of being able to buy products on Sunday. Not a lot of intelligence to the law now anyway. You will see towns run flea markets on Sundays and any and everything is being sold. But if you have a large investment in a business in Bergen County you cannot conduct business. Not a lot of logic in the way the antiquated law is being administrated. I guess we will all get on our Horse and Buggy and head out of town Give me a Break!
Michael
10:10 am on Tuesday, January 15, 2013
The fallacy is that it will create jobs. It won't . Companies will stretch out thier current workers to cover the extra day that the worker won't be able to spend with thier family or friends. Guess trying to enjoy a day for yourself is "old fashioned" to this lady.
westwood gal
10:48 am on Tuesday, January 15, 2013
No way this is happening, residents of Bergen County move here for a reason, you don't like it there are plenty of options like Willowbrook or Palisades. I grew up in Paramus and it is a nightmare. It was a good idea to temporarily allow shopping after the storm, but it is not going to create more jobs. Instead, employers are going to make current staff work on Sundays, and will have to pay them overtime, no extra revenue there.....
rex merrins
4:18 pm on Tuesday, January 15, 2013
westwood gal You have to understand 4 and 17 are main arteries to other parts of nj and to ny not just the malls. Who told you to live in the mall capital of nj. You residents let GSP expand and now they are adding 20 more stores. You all let them build PARAMUS PARK GSP BERGEN MALL FASHION CENTER AND ALL THE SHOP CENTERS ALONG 4 AND 17 SO STOP BITCHING.
Brenda Gardner
11:05 am on Tuesday, February 5, 2013
Hello! How do you figure that? Overtime pay, is I believe at a higer tax rate, plus any revenue generated by being open on a Sunday would be taxable. What century do we live in? We are supposed to sepearate state and religion and I believe the blue laws were brought into being due to religious influences. Time to update and move forward. What happened to freedom of choice?
Cj
10:48 am on Tuesday, January 15, 2013
Michael what is truly wrong is letting stores open on Thanksgiving as they did this year and not letting people spend it with their families. There a many people in this world that work on Sundays. So they get Saturday or another day off. How about your cops. I guess we should not have cops or Firemen on Sunday so they can spend it with their families. I hate to say this but most people that have Sunday off are not spending it with their families anymore like the "Old Fashioned Days" so I say open the stores. I wonder how many Bergen county residents actually do go out of town to shop on Sunday now? I bet half of Bergen is out of town during the holidays.
Meg S
10:48 am on Tuesday, January 15, 2013
citizens against this look here http://www.change.org/petitions/bergen-county-executive-kathleen-a-donovan-keep-the-blue-laws-2
Marge
10:48 am on Tuesday, January 15, 2013
Keep the stores CLOSED on Sundays. This will not create more jobs. If anything, it will be a burden on Paramus Police, etc. We have done very well with the Blue Laws. I agree with Robert Prol -- If you really NEED to shop, go to another county. But, I also think the people of the county should decide. If she gets her signatures, bring it to the people, but if the stores open on Sunday, say goodbye to peace and quiet on any main road in Bergen County. This is one of the main reasons I stayed in Bergen County, now maybe I will leave. Pray for the residents of Paramus. They really LOVE the Blue Laws the most.
LE
10:48 am on Tuesday, January 15, 2013
Where do I sign? The Blue Laws are ridiculous....I am a full time working mother of 3 and would love the option to go shopping at a Bergen County mall on a Sunday. And it will create jobs and tax revenue.....as far as Paramus goes, the traffic is located on Route 17....there aren't any houses on Route 17....if you don't like the traffic, don't go to the mall on a Sunday.
Marge
12:57 pm on Tuesday, January 15, 2013
People have to take other roads to get to Route 17. And people live on main roads such as Paramus Road, Saddle River Road, Midland Avenue, Ridgewood Avenue, Oradell Avenue, Kinderkamack Road, etc. These are the roads we are concerned about--not just the highways. As it has been proven, Bergen County retail revenue is the highest in the country WITHOUT opening on Sunday, so that argument goes out the window. And how exactly will it create "tax revenue." For one thing, there is no sales tax on clothing--one of the MAIN items restricted in the Blue Laws. The only true argument here is what do the people want. That's why the referendum is the only answer.
rozette
1:24 pm on Tuesday, January 15, 2013
get in touch me at rozette@yahoo.com
Brenda Gardner
11:16 am on Tuesday, February 5, 2013
Marg's answer is wierd. How does she figure repealing the blue laws wouldn't affect taxes. Guess what? If you shop on Sunday, how can you possibly say that shoppers would only buy clothing that had no taxes on them. They would be buying everything which certainly would affect taxes. Wake up[!!
John
12:57 pm on Tuesday, January 15, 2013
How long has she lived here? The only sanity left is the lack of Sunday traffic, Go to a neighboring county or better yet, go to Manhattan, take in a museum and then buy the consumer item that you must have. Seven days does not mean more jobs or revenue. It does mean seven days of traffic with the same revenue but more policing and quality of life costs.
Miles Wilson Carter
2:56 pm on Tuesday, January 15, 2013
I bet she's a displaced New Yorker...
Stacie Skelley
3:07 pm on Tuesday, January 15, 2013
How long she's lived here is irrelevant. I've lived in Bergen County for 50 years. Born and raised in Fort Lee, lived in Cliffside Park, Teaneck, Bogota, Bergenfield. My siblings and their families live in Paramus, Waldwick, Saddle Brook, Bogota, Teaneck, Ridgefield, and Fort Lee. Paramus wanted low taxes, no traffic, and have convinced themselves that they are in the same socio-economic level as Alpine and Ridgewood. Well, you can't have it all. I fully intend to vote for REPEAL.
John
1:19 pm on Wednesday, January 16, 2013
Ms. Skelly:
Why the focus on just Paramus and its perceived socio-economic level? How is that germane to the discussion? Blue laws affect all Bergen County retail establishments, not just Paramus. What I am saying is seven days of "retailing" does not, in my opinion, provide the benefits of an improved revenue stream that counter acts the deleterious affects of more traffic, additional policing costs and impacts on the quality of life and the environment. Do we trade one day of peace for the "almighty dollar."
Cj
12:57 pm on Tuesday, January 15, 2013
Marge
This is what kills me. YOu say if you want to shop "go to another county" Maybe that county doesn't want the influx from Bergen county .Why should that county have to put up with more people coming into it because you don't want your own County to do it. Sounds a little selfish to me. What about Bergen county taxes. ARe they not high enough already. Could this help the tax situation?
Bike Nut
1:10 pm on Tuesday, January 15, 2013
The exponential increase in traffic will add more air pollution which will precipitate more pulmonary health issues, increased wear and tear on the roads, more need for emergency services, and more congestion. The increase in sales tax revenue won't be worth it.
PF
12:57 pm on Tuesday, January 15, 2013
Most people are too busy during the week to shop forcing everyone to shop on Saturday creating a traffic nightmare. I'm sure that if you lose the blue laws you will get a more balanced shopping pattern over two days rather than a saturday rush.
rozette
1:26 pm on Tuesday, January 15, 2013
keep in touch rozette@yahoo.com
News Man
12:57 pm on Tuesday, January 15, 2013
This antiquated law is on its way out.
21st century concerned citizen
12:57 pm on Tuesday, January 15, 2013
I agree with LE. Many of the citizens of Bergen County have to drive to Rockland and Passaic Counties to shop on Sundays. Interesting how some of the comments are emphatically stating that Sunday Sales will not create jobs. Where is the basis in fact! The fact of the matter is in Westwood we have a lot of turnover in our retail locations and vacant retail frontage. An extra day of sales would certainly assist the business owners. As for the argument that people only have a certain amount of money to spend. That is correct; but on Sundays they are spending that money at the Palisades mall, The Willowbrook Mall. Loews in Orangeburg etc. Sales Tax collections from Bergen County residents are going to New York State and Rockland County. The Blue Laws are the past. Essentially the past centuries. Our county taxes keep going up, lets bring in more revenues. Certainly lifting the Blue Laws in Paramus would help our County and State financially. And I also agree. If you do not like traffic, stay home
rex merrins
4:30 pm on Tuesday, January 15, 2013
21ST cENTURY I work at Lord and Taylor at Palisades Mall I get many customers on Sunday from Bergen buy shoes and return them on Monday to GSP TO GET THE TAX BACK. Is that fair to me when they do that i lose the sale and paramus gains. The residents and Mayor just approved to have 20 more stores at GSP. i WAS THERE on saturday the traffic was worse in the GSP AND BTC than on 4 and 17. Is it fair to salespeople at Willowbrook who have to work twice as hard on Sundays during Christmas and while the workers of the Paramus Malls are home with their feet up. Its time Paramus to stop Bitching and repeal these laws. No one told you all to live in the mall capital town of New Jersey.
News Man
12:57 pm on Tuesday, January 15, 2013
Please send a copy of the petition to ALL the towns in Bergen County.
K.
12:57 pm on Tuesday, January 15, 2013
Oh for goodness sake, just leave us alone and move to Passaic County. I'm tired of all the New Yorkers coming here on Saturday's clogging the roads and malls. We don't need the same thing on Sundays. Get a life, no one has to shop 7 days a week, and if you have the compulsion to do so, just log onto to amazon.com please.
Marge
2:56 pm on Tuesday, January 15, 2013
Excellent point. Go to amazon.com. It's better for the environment too. Fewer cars on the road, less pollution, less security needed, etc. Problem solved.
LE
10:19 pm on Tuesday, January 15, 2013
Right.....we don't have to shop 7 days per week....however, for those of us that work full time, volunteer as CCD teachers, have children that have numerous activities during the week and on Saturday, it would be nice to have the option to run to Paramus Park to pick up a new pair of sneakers for our children on a Sunday. We don't all have the luxury of running our errands during the week.
rex merrins
10:23 am on Wednesday, January 16, 2013
k Oh its okAY that many from bergen county come to us to shop at Palisades Mall on Sunday and we dont say anything. Its a free country we can shop where we want. We dont have Century 21 Nordstrom and Lord and Taylor carries more than Palisades does.Many work during the week and if Paramus was open Sunday we all wouldnt be cramming in on a Saturday.
Michael
12:57 pm on Tuesday, January 15, 2013
CJ you make no sense what so ever.
Michael
12:57 pm on Tuesday, January 15, 2013
For those that say there are no houses on RT 17 go look on the other side of many of the business's that line 17. There are plenty of houses there. Like I said before being open will not create extra jobs or tax revenue.
rozette
2:56 pm on Tuesday, January 15, 2013
So join us I'm Rosemary my e-mail address is rozette@yahoo.com.
stephen moore
1:02 pm on Tuesday, January 15, 2013
Tell Rosemary Shashoua to move where she can shop
Michael
1:17 pm on Tuesday, January 15, 2013
While there were some it wasn't a overwhelming majority of people going to New York to spend more money in the form of higher taxes. As for WestWood it's the pay to park & lack of parking that's more of an issue than being open on Sunday.
K.
2:56 pm on Tuesday, January 15, 2013
21st, if you do not like the blue laws, then move where there are none!
21st century concerned citizen
3:48 pm on Tuesday, January 15, 2013
I have lived in Westwood for 34 years and recognize that we are not in the 1800's anymore. The world is changing and our business owners need additional revenues to stay in business. recognize the number of businesses that have left Westwood and what the retail turn is. Blue Laws have to be repealed!!!!!!
Stacie Skelley
10:19 pm on Tuesday, January 15, 2013
Or rather, let the Ballot box decide. Every time I hear a citizen tell another citizen to move if they don't like something I wonder if they themselves have moved dozens of times?
Stacie Skelley
10:19 pm on Tuesday, January 15, 2013
Citizens don't tell other citizens to move to settle a disagreement; we would all have to move dozens of times. Settling it at the Ballot box once every ten years seems the way to go.
William Edward
2:56 pm on Tuesday, January 15, 2013
Sales tax revenues go to the State of NJ and are then distributed to municipalities using a formula of need & income. Bergen County already contributes more to and receives less back from sales tax revenues per capita than any other county in NJ. Here are the numbers and where the taxes go http://policy.rutgers.edu/reports/rrr/RRR31oct12.pdf
Repealing the blue law will do nothing for residents of Bergen County. It won't mean more money for our schools, it won't lower property taxes, it won't build parks or pave our streets, nada, zip. It will however increase the need to provide more services such as police, fire, ambulance, water, sewer, sanitation etc to deal with increased use & traffic volume.
And more jobs? Retail jobs? Well I'd like to see some reliable cites first rather than opinions from big chain out-of-state merchants with a financial stake. The average retail salary in NJ is about $22K annually which is well below the poverty level for a family of four. These are the kind of jobs we need more of? Pfft.
Chris Cortazzo
3:45 pm on Tuesday, January 15, 2013
I agree that the blue laws should be repealed, allow paramus to pass their own law if they don't want business. It makes traffic worse on Saturday, and it is one less day store owners can amoritize their rent.
If you are dissatisfied with the crowded conditions in Bergen, blame the state supreme court and our ridiculous COAH laws, our cities are rotting and abandoned, so instead of renewing them, we just force towns to build on all of their open land...
rozette
6:25 pm on Tuesday, January 15, 2013
Join us this Rosemary at rozette@yahoo.com
21st century concerned citizen
3:45 pm on Tuesday, January 15, 2013
@William Edward Last time I looked we are all citizens of the state of NJ and any addtional tax revenues would be welcomed especially with a looming deficit. As for jobs, speak to the thousands of unemployed citizens in our state including my home town of Westwood. Many of them would jump at an opportunity to make $22K per year to assist in their support of their families. It absolutely amazes me how many people who oppose the lifting of the ancient Blue Laws live in the past and do not recognize the constraints and opportunties in the 21st Century. The whole world around us is changing but we would rather live in a cocoon than accept the realities of the current society. I can buy anything I want through the internet on the special day (as to why Sunday is special who knows?) but I cannot go to my main street store and buy the same item. Okay let's keep the Blue Laws and let all of the sales migrate to the internet and when we walk on our main streets in the future the store fronts will be only that store fronts with no retail businesses. Sounds like a lot of the Hollywood Movie Sets I frequented in California. Perhaps I will buy everyone who wants to keep the Blue Laws 'Living in the Past" tee shirts.
William Edward
10:19 pm on Tuesday, January 15, 2013
You are assuming that we are losing tax revenue. What tax? Where? To whom? Is there some study you are relying upon or is it just a gut feeling? Cites please. As it stands now, BC is the leader in generating sales tax revenue by a country mile over adjacent counties according to the NJ Division of Taxation. Even without Sundays. We don't lose revenue to NY - historically it has flowed IN to NJ much to the chagrin of NY pols - so it's staying in state. Otherwise, you are making a very confused argument. Keeping a quality of life law is "outdated" because we'll all shop on the Net and brick & mortar stores will go the way of the Dodo. Huh? Now who's living in the past? What's killing main street (Westwood Ave) are exorbitant rents and trying to compete with malls, the big box stores like Walmart and the Internet. Not blue laws. We have plenty of QOL laws & regs on the books that are not strictly for the benefit of business: zoning & land use laws, noise ordinances, closing times, etc. We put in bike paths that could be better used for another truck lane. Green acre preserves and open space that we could squeeze a factory on. Heck, let's bulldoze Van Saun and build another mall. Oh brave new world. That has such people in't!
CosmoNut
4:13 pm on Tuesday, January 15, 2013
Rosemary will hurt her own town. The Mom and Pop stores will have to be open on Sundays and either the poor owners will not get a day off or the additional expenses might be too costly. Bad idea.
KEVIN W. FITZGERALD
4:29 pm on Tuesday, January 15, 2013
We Need it Desperately! You can not blame others for not spending time with their families. You shpuld do that everyday!
KEVIN W. FITZGERALD
4:29 pm on Tuesday, January 15, 2013
Maybe some business competiton is good.
KEVIN W. FITZGERALD
4:30 pm on Tuesday, January 15, 2013
What is next, close restuarants on Sundays????
Michael
6:25 pm on Tuesday, January 15, 2013
What's wrong with a dinner at home?
Stacie Skelley
10:19 pm on Tuesday, January 15, 2013
Michael - I don't cook; have never cooked; and no desire to spend time near a hot stove. The resaurants I eat at are grateful for my business and are open 7 days a week.
David S. Shashoua, JD, LLM, EA
10:23 am on Wednesday, January 16, 2013
What the issue boils down to is that government (whatever through legislative efforts from elected legislators, or through a public refendum by the electorate) ought to dictate when and/or how a local retailer ought to operate its own business. I say that this is not the government's business on when a retailer can operate its business, leave it the individual retailer to decide of when, baed on what it thinks it's in the retailer's best interest. Thusly, repeal this governmental mandate, and let freedom ring!!!!!!!
Bike Nut
1:19 pm on Wednesday, January 16, 2013
I'm confident that the people in this county will vote for you and your family to shop elsewhere on Sundays. Let Freedom Ring!
Marge
2:41 pm on Wednesday, January 16, 2013
The PEOPLE of Bergen County, NEW JERSEY, (the residents) decided that they wanted to keep the Blue Laws, Dr. Shashoua. Our Governor wants (or wanted) to repeal them. He's become very quiet on the issue. I don't really understand your post. I also don't understand why you care when you're in Greater Los Angeles, CALIFORNIA.
21st century concerned citizen
4:42 pm on Friday, January 18, 2013
David. I agree with you 100%. Unfortunately we have a number of people who have commented that are living in another century. They have no concept of the retail environment and also want government to dictate the way we all live an control our lives. I worked for a multibillion dollar consumer company and watched retailer after retailer go out of business during my tenure with the manufacturer. Take a look at Best Buy and see what Amazon is doing to their business, Best Buy is the last major consumer electronics retailer in business and unless they change their business model their stores will go the way of Circuit City, Crazy Eddie, The Wiz, Sixth Avenue, Brick Church,etc We can all watch The Andy Griffin Show, but those of us who understand that it is only a television show will understand that that was another era and 2013 is cut throat competition. It is indeed a shame we have so many naive people out there
Rich
4:39 pm on Monday, February 11, 2013
You're right ... it's NOT the government's business. Having been upheld twice via referendum, I'd venture to say the PEOPLE decided, not some faceless bureaucracy. If you're so hellbent on changing the rules, why not devote your engergies to having it put on the ballot again? Of course, I suspect that's EXACTLY what you're afraid of; that if placed on the ballot, the PEOPLE will uphold it, yet again!
Alex Ostrow
10:23 am on Wednesday, January 16, 2013
Even the Amish and Orthodox Jewish people shop on Sunday. Let us as residents of
Bergen County, decide whether or not we wish to shop on Sundays. We should be more concerned with Gun control.
Bike Nut
1:19 pm on Wednesday, January 16, 2013
The statistics don't support you on gun control. The entire state of NJ has about 400 firearm related deaths per year. Bergen County alone has over 600 deaths per year from automobile collisions. More traffic will push that number up.
Chris Montana
1:19 pm on Wednesday, January 16, 2013
If you own a small business or are the manager of a larger retail store in BC would love to here if you think it would add value to your business. I'm not sure if the added expenses of labor, sanitation, security etc by the anticipated revenues. I am of the mindset that if I have a $100 a week to spend at retail, other then the convenience of Sunday shopping. I'm really not going to spend any more. With all the big box stores and retailers in BC, I am sure there has been a study conducted on this matter. My gut is that if the big national retailers thought there was a win-fall in being open 7 vs. 6 days per week there would have been a lot of pressure put on our elected decision makers for change.
Chris Montana
1:19 pm on Wednesday, January 16, 2013
Sorry for the unfinished thought in my posting: I am not sure if the added expenses of labor, sanitation, security etc. would be offset by the anticipated incremental revenues.
scruffy
1:19 pm on Wednesday, January 16, 2013
Individual store owners would be able to decide to open or not the same they do on the night Westwood used to be open for all to sop while growing up here. I am not sure businesses are going out due to the lack of Sunday hours but staying competitive is a must today. I do think that the Blue Laws could and should be lifted during the months of Aug-Sept for Back to School as well as Nov- Dec for holiday shopping. This would help those businesses that wish to open and capitalize on the shoppers who cannot come in during "normal" hours due to their own work commitments. Perhaps The Patch could go in and poll the local merchants for their take on what they need. While it is interesting to get the varying consumer ideas the ones who count are the business owners as they are the ones directly affected by any changes.
Stacie Skelley
2:41 pm on Wednesday, January 16, 2013
John - Paramus is a lovely middle-class town and that's exactly what it will remain because it made a conscious choice a long time ago to encourage the mall development in an effort to keep their taxes low. Alpine residents, on the other hand, don't need to worry about how much they pay in taxes but they too made a conscious decision about the type of town they wanted to be - exclusive with nothing to encourage tourists or shoppers to take a Sunday trip through their town. So they only have 3 businesses - a restaurant, a gas station, and a garden center. Now that the economy and the demographics of Bergen County has changed Paramus wants to stop any effort by the other towns to address the changes. Paramus is free to keep or repeal it's own Blue laws. Repeal of the County laws allows us to be free to do so in our towns.
Jill
2:41 pm on Wednesday, January 16, 2013
It is selfish of this woman to force the people who work in these malls and retail centers to work. This is our only day off most of the time. Time that is used to spend with our families and children. It is foolish to say you want to sit at a mall and decide where to spend your money. Stay home, save money and leave the blue laws alone.
PeterB
3:25 pm on Wednesday, January 16, 2013
It is selfish of you to tell us how and when to spend our money. When you work in retail your expected to work weekends and that includes Sundays!
Westwood Resident
4:15 pm on Thursday, January 17, 2013
I agree, Sunday is my only day off and I cherish the time i spend with my family. PeterB doesn't work in retail otherwise he wouldn't be saying that. I work in Paramus so I do have one day off. It is also nice to have one day to drive through Paramus and not sit in traffic, on Saturday I just use the back roads and that means i'm increasing traffic on secondary roads which does affect the residents of the town .
LE
4:15 pm on Thursday, January 17, 2013
And if you work Sunday, you will get another day off during the week.
Westwood Resident
8:51 am on Monday, January 21, 2013
Not if you work 2 jobs
K.
2:41 pm on Wednesday, January 16, 2013
Good for them, go become an Amish person and live in PA. They have a ton of casino's in many PA towns now, should we consider getting some slot machines in Westwood too while you're out wrecking the towns? Let's have a competition with other towns to see how many seedy people we can get along with how much traffic we can get! Also, other towns have gangs, maybe we should do what the gangs do and have some shootouts. Sounds like a real hootenanny! Cut it with what "others" have and do please!
PeterB
3:25 pm on Wednesday, January 16, 2013
Every town should have a vote on this. If Paramus wants to close on sundays fine, but if other towns want to stay open then so be it. We shouldn't have to bend over backwards for Paramus. This ordinance should be a town ordinance not a county.
LE
4:15 pm on Thursday, January 17, 2013
Agree with PeterB! Why should Paramus dictate anything? Each town should make their own decision.
Ray Zinbran
1:22 pm on Friday, January 18, 2013
I would encourage whomever wants to repeal these blue laws to travel to the nearest bridge (on Sunday if you like) and jump off
21st century concerned citizen
10:12 am on Sunday, January 20, 2013
Very intelligent remark!!!!!!! Looks like you prefer to live in the 1950's. Wake up to reality. The competition for the retail customer is changing and if the Blue Laws in Bergen county are not lifted the retail storefronts will be empty
21st century concerned citizen
4:29 pm on Friday, January 18, 2013
For those people who object to lifting the Blue Laws. Wake up to Reality. As I stated the internet is taking sales away from our local retailers. Not the Macy's, Norstroms, or Lord and Taylor stores, but the stores in our home towns like Westwood. As intelligent citizens we should allow the small store owner the opportunity to open any day of the week to generate revenue. I know a number of you Blue Law devotees do not have an understanding of retail, but in the 21st century their is more compeition than at any other time in history and with the competition selling margins as well as gross magins are minimal. If you want to see the end of main street retail go ahead and keep the blue laws in tact. I must advise you though your real estate taxes will go up with all of the closed businesses. Again, grab you horse and buggys and go off to ma and pa's for your sunday dinner
Bike Nut
10:12 am on Sunday, January 20, 2013
You know a lot about retail! That's great. So according to you, if someone wants something real bad on a Sunday, the just order it online... and it arrives Wednesday? People who shop online shop online because they don't want to go to a store. At all.
Increasing the number of ratables in a town has never lowered taxes. Anywhere. Plus, I've never seen a horse and buggy in Bergen County, and your comment is disrespectful cyber bullying.
Bob Funk
4:24 pm on Tuesday, January 29, 2013
Robert - One you seem to know very little about retail and marketing and two, if you consider that cyber bulling you either need to grow a thicker skin or you should stay off the internet.
Bike Nut
8:46 pm on Tuesday, January 29, 2013
Bob, don't get yourself all in a funk... errr... I mean in a bad mood. Couldn't you see my smile?
21st century concerned citizen
10:12 am on Sunday, January 20, 2013
For all those comments on retail employees working on Sundays: take a step back and think about what you are saying. In business people work primarily work 5 days a week. More than likely and especially with Obamacare the Sunday work would be with part timers who want to earn a couple of extra dollars. Might be college students and seniot citizens. But at least allow them the opportunity to work and make some extra money What you Blue Law people are doing is denying those people the right to work!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The small store owners in towns like westwood would have the opportunity to open or close on Sunday. It will then be their decision not governments. I believe in a strong government; but in the case of business especially in our competitive capitalistic environment, the business owner should be allowed the opportunity to make the decision. Why can some products be sold over others. Restaurants are allowed to be open, but not the shop selling clothes. The logic is not there in the current Blue Laws
Bob Funk
10:23 am on Tuesday, January 29, 2013
Also, to those who say that retail employees will work more hours remember that if they are working more then 40 hours, they are getting time and a half.
The blue laws create an unfair environment for clothing and home goods store that was not intended when the laws were drafted. You can go on line and buy anything you want at anytime but you can't go down the street one day a week to buy only certain items. If the blue laws necessary then why not ban all shopping?
No one brings up the restaurant staffs that work Sundays and holidays..Should we pass laws closing restaurants so that these folks can spend Sunday with their families?
Bob Gilson
1:38 pm on Friday, February 1, 2013
Does anyone have any real proof that opening on Sunday will add jobs, increase revenue and improve the quality of life for Bergen County residents? Does the Macys, Sears, Target, or Best Buy in one of the neighboring counties have more employees than their Paramus or Hackensack counterpart?
Also, keep in mind not all retail employees who work more than 40 hours get time and a half, nor do they get comp time off. Under the FLSA many management and sales commission jobs do not require overtime consideration. Also, there is no restriction for an employer requiring the employee to work the forty hours over six or seven days per week.
I am old enough to remember when NJ created an income tax. It was intended to address the need for improving roads and schools. That worked well.
I am old enough to remember the start of the lottery in NJ. That was going to create jobs, give money to schools and seniors. That worked.
I am old enough to remember the start of casino gambling. Oh yes, jobs and money for schools and seniors. That worked.
Xanadu. Ratables for surrounding towns, tax revenue from sales taxes, five new golf courses, etc. That worked.
Now, based on some intuitive data, we have concluded that opening stores on Sundays will bring Bergen County jobs(at least for college students and seniors), sales tax revenue, etc. I truly doubt it.
That being said, there are opinions on both sides and putting the issue to a vote is a fair way to move forward.
Stacie Skelley
1:56 pm on Friday, February 1, 2013
Bob Gilson - I appreciate the really thoughtful addition to this discussion. Frankly, though I support repeal most comments have been honest but respectfull. This has been a great discussion. None of us seems to have the hard data your asking;however, we're not likely to get it since businesses are prohibited from operating and thus producing the data. Nor do I feel that I need that data since I support repeal for reasons previously stated.
Cj
4:42 pm on Friday, February 1, 2013
I know its impossible but I would love to get an honest answer from the people in Bergen county how many Sunday's they have gone out of Bergen county to shop. How many times during the holidays do they go out of town to shop. I just bet the majority do so all the other counties should have to open on Sundays to supply Bergen county residents?
K.
3:28 pm on Tuesday, February 5, 2013
CJ, honest answer from Bergen County resident - I never go out shopping on a Sunday and most of the people I know do not. There are more than enough things to do on a Sunday besides going to the mall and making traffic unbearable.
Stacie Skelley
5:01 pm on Friday, February 1, 2013
Q - I do my house errands on Sat and shop on Sundays outside of Bergen County. I wouldn't be caught dead at the malls on Sat - not even for a Movie on Sat night.
Rich
4:39 pm on Monday, February 11, 2013
Rosemary ...MYOB, please!
Stacie Skelley
10:40 pm on Monday, February 11, 2013
Hey Rich ...Mind Your Own Business, please. Getting pretty tired of folks who think they have the right (more like gall) to regulate my days activities including what days I shop. I work Sat and Sunday. I have little to no sympathy for civilians crying about traffic.
Ouija
9:44 am on Tuesday, February 12, 2013
You work Saturday and Sunday...so that leaves Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday and Friday to shop which is 5 more days than the rest of us "civilians" have.
Rich
8:06 am on Tuesday, February 12, 2013
Well then devote your energies to bringing it to referendum. What are you afraid of? I know EXACTLY what you and you ilk are afraid of; that if brought to the voting booth, the Blue Laws will be upheld yet again because it's a quality of life issue and most long time residents of Bergen County think it's just the right thing to do. And I'm getting pretty tired of folks offering lame excuses; sort of like yours.
Bike Nut
9:44 am on Tuesday, February 12, 2013
I can't find the like button Rich...
Stacie Skelley
9:44 am on Tuesday, February 12, 2013
Rich - which post by whom are you replying to? I'm not afraid of anything or anyone. What in the postings would cause you to comment that? And lame excuses? Which lame excuses? That I work Sat and Sunday? Or are you replying to some other post?
Stacie Skelley
9:55 am on Tuesday, February 12, 2013
Well this thread has now devolved to nonsense. Bye.
Rich
10:04 am on Tuesday, February 12, 2013
If the shoe fits, wear it. If not, then why worry? Otherwise, like I said, VERY simple, quit yer rantin' and put it on the ballot. Because that's EXACTLY what you interlopers are afraid of and why you're all sneaking around looking for a legislative end run. Christie tried it and he backed away real quick too. PUT IT ON THE BALLOT and let's see where it goes. lol @ Rob Prol "like button" ... seems you just found it.
Stacie Skelley
10:12 am on Tuesday, February 12, 2013
Ah...You are projecting your own fears and bringing in a topic that had not yet been addressed in this thread. I support a state law that allows each town to decide to keep or repeal for their individual towns.
Rich
10:42 am on Tuesday, February 12, 2013
Fears? Only if the truth scares you, which apparently it does, because 1) the sneaky little plot was uncovered and 2) if you were so certain of victory you'd simply address the issue at the ballot box. Like one of the major political parties, seems like if you can't win on your own policies, you'll attempt to change the rules by some other means. And by the way, Paramus already has its OWN set of Blue Laws that apply specifically to Paramus ... GO FOR IT!!
PeterB
11:58 am on Tuesday, February 12, 2013
Rich -
I hear what your saying. However, there is one difference between how people voted in the past and how they would vote now and its about jobs it is that simple.
I would like to see data that shows more money would not be created because it would. After Sandy when stores were allowed to open they were packed, not because they needed things to help to rebuild because as a culture people like to interact with one another. Not everyone is a recluse and sits home, people like to get out. Once they are out they will spend money.
People need the jobs and money and that alone would be incentive enough to repeal the blue laws. Do not under estimate the power of the unemployed/underemployed.
Rich
12:31 pm on Tuesday, February 12, 2013
Fine if you 'hear' then stop ignoring the basic, underlying premise. I've said "PUT IT ON THE BALLOT," several times. Let people vote on it and then we'll see if things have changed, won't we?
PeterB
1:09 pm on Tuesday, February 12, 2013
Oh Richie - get some oxygen in you - your going to have an aneurysm!
I will see you on election day!
Stacie Skelley
1:09 pm on Tuesday, February 12, 2013
Rich likes to raise his voice (CAP LOCK).
Bob Funk
3:32 pm on Tuesday, February 12, 2013
It's not about Paramus. It's about Westwood, Teaneck, Fort Lee and all the other towns in Bergen County. What many people don't understand is that there are two completely separate sets of blue laws at work here. The first is the Borough of Paramus Blue Law that prohibits all worldly business from taking place in the borough. The second is a state law that prohibits the sale of clothing, household goods and lumber on Sunday. Twenty of the twenty one counties in New Jersey have decided not to enforce this law. It is the state law that we seek to repeal and it can only be done by a county wide vote. Repealing the state law does nothing to the Paramus law and does not prevent individual towns from passing their own blue laws, if that is what the residents want.
Stores throughout the rest of Bergen County are already open seven days a week, if they wish to, as long as they don't sell only the forbidden items. Repealing the state law would only open a few stores and allow others to not have to rope off portions of their stores, It's about allowing stores in downtowns like Ridgewood and Oradell to be open on Sunday which would lead to a decrease in traffic on the highways as some people would choose to shop locally. It's about allowing Walmart in Garfield to sell clothes on a Sunday to a single parent. It's about allowing a homeowner to buy appliances and lumber at their convenience.
Bob Funk
3:32 pm on Tuesday, February 12, 2013
Part 2
Repealing the state blue laws will reduce traffic on Saturday even with the malls closed. We aren't increasing the amount of dollars available for people to spend. Given the the choice of being on the road Saturday or Sunday will result in some people choosing to spend Saturday at home and making their purchases on Sunday.
The way we live our lives has changes in the twenty years since this has been put to a vote and it's time for the county to put it to a vote.
fred
8:35 am on Wednesday, March 27, 2013
This is just what we need; more traffic on Sunday. This will eliminate the one day that we can go to any destination in Bergen county without sitting in traffic. Apparently, Rosemary Shashoua owns a business in Westwood and has obvious reasons to promote the removal of the Blue Laws. This type of selfish behavior is just another example why our society is going down hill.
Rich
9:00 am on Wednesday, March 27, 2013
Unfortunately, you can't have a battle of wits with an unarmed idiot.