Residents Propose Artificial Turf for Memorial Field
Officials said they are open to the plan.
Members of the Washington Township Recreation Board said Memorial Field could be upgraded with artificial turf at an average cost of $18.30 per year to each homeowner.
Township officials had planned to include money in the year's budget to pay for new sod for the field, which they expected to cost no more than $40,000. They were also considering using a grant to purchase residential properties adjacent to the field for an expansion, though the properties are not currently for sale.
Township residents Scott Spezial and Eamonn Twomey presented their case on behalf of the recreation board to township officials during a council meeting Monday night. According to Spezial, netting from old sod sticks up through the field surface and can trip athletes.
"It's blatently obvious sod does not work," Spezial said.
Residents and officials have agreed that something needs to be done with the field, which has been in fluctuating states of disrepair during different times of year for about 10 years. The field can be difficult to maintain because of drainage on the site, which is at the bottom of the hill behind Washington Elementary School. The site also slopes down six feet from one side to the other, according to recreation board officials. There have also been problems with geese feces on the field.
Spezial and Twomey proposed that the township could replace the field with artificial turf in less time than it would take to install new sod, citing a field built in River Vale last year. Spezial estimated the cost of upgrading the facility would be about $62,000 more than maintaining the field each year for the next 15 years. Whether officials decide to replace sod or put in artificial turf, the field will need to be closed for several months this year.
"If it's going to be closed this year either for sod or a project, we'll take the project," Twomey said.
An artificial turf field could be used year-round and is expected to last between 15 and 20 years. Having a year-round facility could save money on the cost of renting fields from the school district, Spezial said. Using district fields for the spring would cost about $24,000 for the recreation programs.
Council members said they were not sure a plan could be completed in time to work on an artificial turf project this year, but they said they would consider the switch.
"I'm not willing to spend $1.8 million of our taxpayers' money and find out we did it wrong," Councilman Fred Goetz said. "Initially we're trying to do what we can for this season."
Officials said they would have a proposal to vote on by the next council meeting on April 9.
white pickup
5:49 pm on Tuesday, March 27, 2012
sod does work! but maybe if they"football" would stay off the field and let the sod take root it would work. how many times you go past the field after a rain and football is on the field. looks like to me they do that just to get what they want
delgado
10:06 pm on Tuesday, March 27, 2012
nooooooooooooooooooooo, republican town, and nooooooooooooo more spending, cut, cut, cut,,,,,republicans will cut, NOT spend. thats what they promised.
Relgado
1:22 pm on Wednesday, March 28, 2012
This "republican town" looks like they are doing what they need to to keep costs down. Sometimes it takes some money to save money in the long term.
B@B
8:28 am on Wednesday, March 28, 2012
Here we go again. Weren't we having this argument just a couple of years ago. Here's what I would like to know -- who stands to benefit financially from installation of turf, and what connection do said people have to local government?
Steve Kohlreiter
8:28 am on Wednesday, March 28, 2012
Way too much money to be spent. How about investing in some rakes, top soil and volunteers such as the parents of the kids using the field to keep the field in good condition.
Ted
9:14 am on Wednesday, March 28, 2012
Steve, what an uninformed reply - do you have any idea how many kids use the field . The field gets so much use (almost a 1,000) kids per year. Your idea makes zero cents. Think about what 18 bucks a year does if the project goes through does to your property values !!!!!! A study says 5% increase - do the math.
Steve Kohlreiter
9:20 am on Wednesday, March 28, 2012
1,000 kids a year? That leaves over 8,000 residents that don't use the field. This is not part of the cost of educating the kids which is mandated and we all took advantage of. We are talking about activities for your kids. When my daughter grew up in town she took dancing classes. Did I ask the tax payers to pay for that? No. Why should I pay for your kids activities? 1.8 million is a lot of money during these difficult ecomonic times. An artificial turf isn't raising my property value. That's pure voodo ecomonics
Newsflash
10:12 am on Wednesday, March 28, 2012
Steve, I never thought i would agree with you on anything. Unfortunately this economy has hurt everyone. We have many many residents on fixed incomes and cannot afford any increase. Under the present circumstances, perhaps that is too great an expense.
chuck
10:55 am on Wednesday, March 28, 2012
If i am not mistaken, the money has been in the capital budget for years now and has not been spent. Use it. A project of this type that is allocated should not raise taxes at all.
Steve Kohlreiter
11:25 am on Wednesday, March 28, 2012
Not trying to be argumentative. So let me try and understand. The money is just sitting there? 1.8 million dollars in the bank not being used? No bonding needed for this money?
WT Resident
11:43 am on Wednesday, March 28, 2012
One visit to see the field conditions in person would make it clear to all that the Memorial Field is unsafe. Seeding or sod could work but only if the field was used part-time and was afforded the time to recover. Unfortunately this is the only lighted field in the township so providing seasonal downtime for recovery would not be an option. In addition, the current lighting system is inefficient (yes, that means inefficient use of taxpayer dollars) and the lighting does not meet current standards for lighting of playing surfaces.
Steve Kohlreiter
11:54 am on Wednesday, March 28, 2012
Why not make some sort of deal with the Board of Ed and use the high school field for some events? I understand Memorial Field is over used with no time to repair but the high school field isn't in use all the time. Just a thought.
Brian Clinton
12:12 pm on Wednesday, March 28, 2012
The field will not need to be mowed, fertilized or watered - with instant $$$ savings compounded over the life of the turf. It will not need to be closed for renovation each year. It will not be affected by bad weather and will be able to be used 365 days a year, 7 days a week. Seems like a no brainer.
Carey Grant
1:43 pm on Wednesday, March 28, 2012
I like the idea of artificial turf! It's bold! It's big and it's the future! Do you residents want Washington Township to be perceived as an "old fashioned" town? Heck NO! Let's go for the artificial turf. But don't stop there! Why not a dome? With a retractable roof! When its sunny we can open it and enjoy the weather, but in the bad weather we can close it and shut out the rain and the cold. Oh yes! Washington Township of the Future! We can play in the shadow of our cell phone tower and if anybody gets hurt on our artificial turf field, dont worry; we have a drive through pharmacy right down the road!
WT Resident
1:48 pm on Wednesday, March 28, 2012
Quite constructive Carey. Thanks for the comments. They are as old fashioned as your movies!
WT Resident
1:53 pm on Wednesday, March 28, 2012
One other note, forget about Washington Township of the Future. We would settle for just getting the township's services, etc up to present day standards!
Steve Kohlreiter
3:16 pm on Wednesday, March 28, 2012
One more thing. Isn't Memorial Field a "Green Acres " field meaning anybody in the state of NJ can use it? Great, we spend 1.8 mil on this and that does not include maint and don't tell me there is no maint, for any town to just bring a school bus full of kids and say have at it.
WTFalcon Photo
4:39 pm on Wednesday, March 28, 2012
I really do not understand when someone says that their children do not use the rec facilities or they do not have children that they should have to support other families’ use of the facilities. You have decided to live in a town in which all people pay to support services regardless of whether we use them or not. You may never need the fire or police department, but you still pay taxes to support them. Because I have a car, should I be allowed to opt out of helping pay for buses for seniors, I do not think so. A turf field will improve the value of your real estate as families with children will consider an improved Memorial field as an asset to the community and not an eyesore. When citizens decide that they should only be concerned with what interests them, we are no longer a community, just a bunch of people living in the same area.
Steve Kohlreiter
4:47 pm on Wednesday, March 28, 2012
What's being argued is not to have an improved facility such as Memorial Field. What's being discussed is $1.8 million dollars or more. Many high schools have artificial turf but how many public parks or fields in towns have them? Again there are other solutions that cost much less. This town has other pressing needs and less money to do it with. It's not ALL about recreation..
WT Resident
5:01 pm on Wednesday, March 28, 2012
Steve, you need to take a good look around some of our neighboring communities. Many of them have turf on their town or rec fields. Park Ridge, Oradell, River Vale, Lodi, Fair Lawn, Dumont, Ridgewood, just to name a few. There was a reason why all these communities went to turf which is the same reason WT needs to do the same. If you look at the towns listed they are not all "well off" communities but they had the foresight to look at the bigger picture and long term cost and determined that they could get much better utilization using turf at the same or lower cost long term. If there are other solutions that cost less we would all like to hear them. It's been proven time and time again, right here on Memorial Field, that sod/grass is not the answer and does not provide a viable solution to the problem which is the need for a lighted field to accomodate the variety of year round use of our only recreation facility (if you discount the swamp called Sherry Field).
white pickup
4:45 pm on Wednesday, March 28, 2012
township resident is right if the field is unsafe do not use it. if the lighting is bad play day games. again if football would stay off the field and let the sod take hold no problem's. but alas the rec machine will get what they want, all the future N F L players can say the got thier start in good old WASHINGTON TOWNSHIP.
WT Resident
5:04 pm on Wednesday, March 28, 2012
White Pickup, if you hadn't noticed lights are a necessity for the range of times the field is needed. Not just by the kids, but by some of the mean's league, etc. The issue is not the sod taking hold but the beating the field gets with no chance for recovery. Sod would be a great choice if we had an alternate field to use during the season that the sod field was allowed to recover.
B@B
9:40 am on Thursday, March 29, 2012
White pickup: I suspect that you and I would not agree on many things, but on this one we do...and you hit the nail on the head about "future NFL players." Where are the activities for kids who are not into sports? Where are the municipally-funded activities for future scientists, artists, musicians, inventors, engineers? I realize that because we have an NFL player hail from our town and because the big scholarship money that colleges have is ALL for athletics, not for academics, parents are tempted to think that the road is paved with gold for their little darling, even though Little Darling can't even catch a ball. Maybe if we had a town-funded club for robot builders or a school of rock or something for the OTHER kids to do, some of us would look more charitably on funding for sports programs as well.
WTFalcon Photo
5:06 pm on Wednesday, March 28, 2012
Almost all towns surrounding Washington township have turf fields for use by their recreation departments. For towns without, most use the HS field for free. Our board of Ed charges $24,000 for three months of use (and this is discounted???). Also, please give the "football is evil" argument a rest, it lends nothing to the discussion. The field is in use almost 3/4 of the year.
Steve Kohlreiter
5:23 pm on Wednesday, March 28, 2012
Starting to get swayed here
Downthemiddle
6:45 pm on Wednesday, March 28, 2012
While no one wants to spend money........Seems it’s pretty obvious that sod on THAT field does not work. You already have volunteer parents who not only rake but coach as well. This is one of those times when some money needs to be spent. Do you want a town where young families continue to move in? Do you want your property values to keep par with surrounding communites? Remember there is no such thing as a free lunch. Money spent on a artificial turf field would have HUGE returns in the end for our entire community.
white pickup
7:05 pm on Wednesday, March 28, 2012
ok now that the high school is not use'n the A field use that one. Where is the madness go'na end, all the other town's have turf we NEED it to. NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Steve Kohlreiter
7:33 pm on Wednesday, March 28, 2012
Amazing, only a couple of people have the guts to use their real names here. I'm hearing an additional $135,000 a year to pay off the bond, not sure how many years the bond is and what is the life expectancy of the turf. Anyway it's been stated 1,000 kids use the field, how about those families chipping in an additional 50 to 100 bucks a year and it then becomes fair and you get your turf. Money is needed for a new fire truck in this town, money is needed by the ambulance corp but "Oh my God" we have to have a turf field. Fine then but surely these parents could afford to cough up a few more bucks so their kids have the best of the best
white pickup
4:32 pm on Thursday, March 29, 2012
WHO IS THIS FIELD REALY FOR???? the kid's NO, THE PARENT'S no, it's for the coaches. let's spend not my money but the tax payer's money for a name plate for thier E G O' S all the other town's built thier field's when time's wer good!!!!
Twp Taxpayer
12:26 pm on Tuesday, April 10, 2012
I love the NFL argument...HOW TRUE! Sports in these towns gets everything and anything they want. Look at River Vale, MILLIONS spent on turf, on a field that was perfectly good before. Now they light it up like a christmas tree every night with huge towers of floodlights. Who pays for THAT? Indeed, the poor taxpayers...
As usual, sports get it all at the expense of all others...A sad state of reality in small-minded NJ towns. Be smart and use the high school field....spend the money on more important things...
Mr Kim
12:35 pm on Friday, April 20, 2012
Yes, lets have the families who use the field pay for it......Im not paying for your kids to play football when there are MUCH better ways to spend our tax dollars.....ever hear of music? How many of those kids will go on to play football? NONE!!
Mr Kim
2:27 pm on Wednesday, April 11, 2012
We should not be paying for your field...lets have the parents and coaches cover that cost, not US! There are SO many better ways to spend our tax dollars....ever hear of music? No, why would we spend on THAT, when these kids need a million plus to play football. How many of them will go on to play after they go to college..NONE, thats how many!
WT Resident
2:51 pm on Wednesday, April 11, 2012
Whether or not any of the kids go onto to pro sports is irrelevant. The town needs to provide ADEQUATE facilities for recreation programs (including those for adults and non-athletes) regardless of whether or not its grass, turf, indoor faciltiies whatever. What's in question here is the lack of recreation and field master planning by the current and previous administrations which is how we got into this mess.
Also - based on Mr. Kim's "pay to play" suggestion, all those who do not use the public library, senior center, etc.. shouldn't have to pay for those. Heck why stop there? If you don't use the fire dept or ambulance corp or the school system in town should you not pay for those either? That would be ridiculous. If you don't want to live in a "community" based town then I suggest you look into moving elsewhere.
Mr Kim
12:01 pm on Thursday, April 12, 2012
Valid points Twp Resident! But I still dont feel its a wise use of our tax funds....plus we have to light the field every night. Have you ever seen River Vales field? They must have 15 huge towers of lights there, packed with bulbs blazing away. We shake our head every time we go by...Can you imagine that electricity bill? I dont want to pay that here..
WT Resident
12:25 pm on Thursday, April 12, 2012
Mr. Kim, I can understand your concern but understand that we are already paying the electricity bill for the lights at memorial. In fact, new lights would be much better as they would provide better lighting and are much more efficient to run. I would guess that the new lights would be cheaper to run that the current lights which do not even meet today's standards for field lighting. Unfortunately the town is in a tough spot. The cheaper, and more tax friendly alternative is grass its been shown that it won't hold up to the amount of use the field gets and then we would be installing sod over and over again. Its too bad that we only have the one lighted field, otherwise grass would work because the town could close Memorial Field during certain seasons to recover. Without an alternate, lighted field there is no option to allow Memorial the needed time to recover. I have no real skin in the game since my oldest is in the high school and my youngest will be up at the high school next year and therefore neither will make use of the town fields. I would just like to see a realistic master plan put in place and the fields maintained (turf or grass) in such a way that we don't get into this situation again.